Bryan Reynolds [00:00:04] Well, hello, hello, hello. Welcome to Episode 3 of the Linkage podcast by Episcopal Retirement Services. This episode is for the week of May 8th, 2020. Thank you so much for joining us. I'm Bryan Reynolds Vice President of Marketing for Episcopal Retirement Services, and I'm here with Kristin Davenport, our Director of Communications for ERS and our executive producer. How are you, Kristin? 

Kristin Davenport [00:00:29] Hi, Bryan. I'm great. It's good to talk with you today. Glad to be here and connecting with you since we don't get to see each other in person. 

Bryan Reynolds [00:00:38] That's right. That's right. Social distancing has us working from home, but it's it's nice to be able to connect with you. Just a reminder, the linkage podcast is dedicated to educating our audience about issues regarding aging, informing people about the mission of ERS and how that comes to life in our everyday interactions with our residents, families and staff members. And particularly right now, we're using this as a vehicle really to touch base with our residents and get updates from our President and CEO Laura Lamb. Kristin, why don't you tell us about our upcoming show today? We've got a good one. 

Kristin Davenport [00:01:11] Yeah, I'd love to. So we've got some really interesting residents on with us. We've got Hilda Henderson from Canterbury caught up in our West Carrollton community for Affordable Living. Hilda turned 100 years old recently, and she's got some riveting stories for us. And also with us is Kate Powers, who lives at Marjorie P. Lee in Hyde Park. And along with those two resident interviews, we're going to check in again with our President and CEO, Laura Lamb. 

Bryan Reynolds [00:01:45] Well, we've got a great, great show lined up for everyone today. You want to get us started on our first segment? 

Kristin Davenport [00:01:51] Yes. So I was reminded, A: Why I love my job so much, getting to connect with Hilda Henderson. Hilda joined Canterbury Court about four years ago and she turned 100 years old in April. And Hilda shared some stories with me about her young life growing up in Dayton, Ohio. And actually some of her encounters with the Wright brothers, believe it or not. Let's meet and listen to Hilda. 

Kristin Davenport [00:02:26] Welcome. My next guest this is Hilda Henderson and Hilda is a resident at Canterbury Court up in West Carrollton, Ohio. That's one of our Affordable Living Communities. And let me tell you a little bit about Hilda. 

Kristin Davenport [00:02:43] Hilda grew up in the east end of Dayton. She's got an exciting story to share with us about her encounters with the Wright brothers. Hilda was a person who in her life and times raised four children, and she also worked at the Mead Corporation in Dayton. 

Kristin Davenport [00:03:03] Welcome, Hilda. 

Hilda Henderson [00:03:04] Thank you. 

Kristin Davenport [00:03:05] Well, Hilda, let's get right to this interview. So I'm so happy to get to know you a little bit today and to have you tell some stories for our listeners. So tell me a little bit again about how you grew up in the east end of Dayton and your encounters with the Wright brothers. 

Hilda Henderson [00:03:25] Well, we did close to McCook Field and I used to walk over there watch the right first test there, a little plane. And it always starts there. You can see that. And then I got to see the bigger play later in my life. So I know where they started and how they started the Wright brothers door on west third street, right around my house where I lived. 

Kristin Davenport [00:04:07] Well, I guess the other thing I should tell our listeners is that you are old enough to have been able to see the Wright brothers in action because you just celebrated your 100th birthday. 

Hilda Henderson [00:04:19] Birthday, yes. I just I am amazed myself that I lived this long. So it seems strange sometimes now, but I've enjoyed my life. I love my apartment. Oh, my goodness. Love. I love. I tried to be a good person. And so that's about all I can say. I try not to give anybody a bunch of problems. 

Kristin Davenport [00:04:56] That sounds wonderful. Tell me a little bit. I know this was probably sort of an unusual birthday celebration for you with staying distance from your neighbors and distance from all those other folks. The staff up there at Canterbury. But tell me a little bit about what your birthday celebration was like this year. 

Hilda Henderson [00:05:17] I didn't do too much celebrating as far as that goes. I couldn't have my family all together. You know, after all. I have children here. Four children. Three Girls. My son is living in Florida and he loves it down there.

Kristin Davenport [00:05:40] So this year, I guess, it was mostly about like getting cards and things like that, but not the regular in-person celebration. Tell me a little bit about how you're staying safe and healthy right now. 

Hilda Henderson [00:05:55] I try to eat good. And I don't know, I don't let things upset me that much. Oh, there might be a a few little things that might upset me, but I try not to let those things upset me because the next day will be much better. 

Kristin Davenport [00:06:19] Well that is great advice for all of us to remember. Yeah, the next day is always going to be better, right? 

Hilda Henderson [00:06:24] Yeah. Yes. And if you make it better, it's gonna be better. You can't live down in the dumps all your lives. Your life is what you make it. 

Kristin Davenport [00:06:37] Think about what is something that you're looking forward to doing once this is all behind us. 

Hilda Henderson [00:06:44] I'd like to be able to get outside. 

Kristin Davenport [00:06:50] Well, Hilda, Thank you so much for talking to our listeners today in insuring us with us. Your stories about the Wright brothers that was really, I think, super interesting. Is there anything else that you'd like to share with our listeners before we sign off? 

Hilda Henderson [00:07:08] No. No. Just for what do you have to so, I guess. You have to be so careful of what you do and keep down any illness. 

Kristin Davenport [00:07:21] Well, I'm so glad that you are are doing that. Hilda, that is an inspiration to all of us. That's exactly what we need to be doing right now. Being as careful as we can be. And I really I thank you for talking with us today, and I appreciate you time. And you stay safe, OK? 

Hilda Henderson [00:07:41] Oh, I'm fine, too. I wish I had taken picture of the Wright bothers myself! Well, I was so young time. I didn't even think about that. 

Kristin Davenport [00:07:56] That is exciting. The pitching of that would have been amazing. 

Hilda Henderson [00:08:00] Oh, yeah. Let's see the first airplane.

Kristin Davenport [00:08:03] I love it. Thank you, Hilda, for joining us today. This has been a wonderful conversation. 

Hilda Henderson [00:08:10] Thank you. 

Bryan Reynolds [00:08:13] Wow. Kristin, that was a fascinating discussion with Hilda. I really found the part where she was she was discussing watching the Wright brothers as completely fascinating. 

Kristin Davenport [00:08:25] Oh, for sure, Bryan. It was such a surprise to me. I knew that Hilda had turned 100 years old recently, but hearing about her personal experiences with the Wright brothers really kind of blew my mind and being present for a slice of history that way. I'm so thankful that I got to speak with her and hear her stories today. 

Bryan Reynolds [00:08:47] Well, that's what makes interviewing these residents so special. 

Kristin Davenport [00:08:54] All right, so next, we're going to check in with our president and CEO Laura Lamb. And Laura is going to talk with us a little bit today about what we've got coming up here this weekend with all of our communities trying to find the safe and healthiest way to celebrate Mother's Day. 

Bryan Reynolds [00:09:17] So I'm so happy to be back with Laura Lamb President and CEO of a Episcopal Retirement Homes this weekend. Laura, welcome. Good to hear from you. 

Laura Lamb [00:09:26] Thanks, Bryan. How are you doing? 

Bryan Reynolds [00:09:27] I'm doing really well. Thanks for asking. You know, we're getting into that special season of Mother's Day and graduations and things like that. So there's often a lot to celebrate, but obviously it's it's a little more muted, a little different this year. And I was kind of thinking about it and we were discussing earlier. All in all, the different and unique ways that people have celebrated are going to kind of change. But what. How's your, what are your traditions and is there any differences that you expect this year? 

Laura Lamb [00:10:04] Oh, well, my Mother's Day will not be changing this year. And it's because several years ago it dawned on me that even though I had a mom, I was a mom, too. That sounds really funny to say it that way. But, you know, my idea of a perfect Mother's Day is just sitting on my side porch reading or just watching the world go by drinking my favorite beverage, maybe coffee in the middle of the day, and then later on, maybe, maybe something else and just enjoying kind of a day of relaxation. And we typically, the family usually makes me a dinner, something really low key. And this year will be no different. I've decided that I really just want a good burger on the grill and in an ear of corn. So they were pleasantly surprised that my menu choice was so, so easy this year. So I'm really looking forward to it and I'll be surrounded by my two kids are home, which candidly, without a pandemic, they wouldn't be home. So I'm really enjoying and savoring each and every minute that they're here with me. So, I think Mother's Day, as is, you know, going to be special, or at least I'm going to make it special with my positive attitude about it. 

Bryan Reynolds [00:11:27] Well, that sounds wonderful. It's so nice. You know, we've talked it's it's nice to slow down. And we have these connections that particularly with our families, that we can really continue to make. And, you know, for many of our residents and our communities, the social distancing or because you've referred to it recently, the physical distancing, may prohibit some of the families to get together. But it sounds like we're thinking of some creative ideas to to really forge those those those touches and allow families to celebrate. Can you talk a little bit about that? 

Laura Lamb [00:12:05] Sure. Absolutely. Well, I think, like I said, as a mom, I think Mother's Day is very special. Now, know, I lost my mom. It'll be two years this year. And, you know, it was special before. But when you lose your mom, there's something that happens with, you know, just kind of puts an exclamation point next to it in terms of how how tender and how dear that relationship is. And I think it's because of that that I really would like to have us think about Mother's Day differently. I mean, I am talking to children and I'm sure that are listening to the podcast. And this is absolutely not the Mother's Day that I'm sure that they want to be in or certainly our residents. But it's where we're at and we can't change it. So I feel like we we we need to reframe it and try to figure out the best we can to take what we've been given and look for an opportunity maybe to to forge a new tradition or a new way to celebrate. And so I asked the teams that all of our communities to really kind of think about what we what we can do. Instead of focusing on what we can't do, let's focus on what we can do. And we can do a lot. And so the teams at all of our and all of our locations and frankly, volunteers throughout all of our campuses, are going to volunteer to work on Sunday so that we have many hands on deck. And what that will allow us to do is to hold many, many window visits. So at each of our campuses, we have at least three locations where we will have window visits, happenings simultaneously so that as many families as possible can be able to see their mother, maybe greet her with her favorite flowers, or what have you. 

Laura Lamb [00:14:03] And we want to be a part of that. So it is a special day. And I feel like there there are things we're going to do in our dining department, always does an amazing job of making sure that there's a very special. Here at our location, so 1 location is going to have their famous prime rib,  another location is known for their homemade crab cakes. I mean, they're just really going to make sure that the dining experience, although different, you know, I grant you that, will be will be memorable. 

Bryan Reynolds [00:14:34] So, yeah, those sounds like some great ideas. And again, just allows for that connection to happen on an ongoing basis. So I wish you a happy Mother's Day, this coming this coming Sunday and all of our all of our residents and even my family. 

Laura Lamb [00:14:53] Absolutely. Look, tell your lovely wife I said Happy Mother's Day.

Bryan Reynolds [00:14:57] I will do that. I will do that. And just along the line of making connections and maintaining those connections, which is, you know, we found, so vital. One of the tools that we've really seen, not just in our work, is it's so helpful. But even among many of our residents is the use of Zoom or FaceTime to connect with family and friends. And, you know, I think one of the interesting things, maybe maybe you could tell our listeners a little bit about what our servant leadership team is doing to work with our residents with with some of this technology. 

Laura Lamb [00:15:42] Yeah. So you're right. You know, the new the new learning and all this is that we can stay connected, socially connected if we use videoconferencing, so Zoom or Blue Jean and Duo. I mean, there's just teams there's all kinds of way to do that FaceTime. And we understand that most, many, many of our residents are very technology savvy, but some need a little bit more help. Just like, you know, people my age and all ages need a little help. So the servant leadership team put out an offer about two weeks ago to all of our residents throughout our systems to say, you know, if you need help getting on any of these platforms, Zoom is the one that we have chosen to use. And we're hosting resident coffee's in May, which is something that we typically do in May. But we usually have have the benefit of being able to assemble 50 to 75 people in a room. Well we can't do that. So again, how are we going to take those lemons and make lemonade? So how we're going to do that is through Zooming. So in, you know, well in advance, a month before those meetings, we reach out to our residents and said, A member of the servant leadership team can help you. So, Bryan, I know you're helping, you know, four or five residents. I'm helping four or five residents and so on. And it's it's really been frankly, it's been fun for all of us to help our residents at that level and get, you know, because the outcome is that they can stay more connected. So what's more meaningful than that? If we're giving them the tools and the resources to stay connected with their families, with their friends and with us. You know, we are broadcasting exercise class now through Zoom. So, again, it's just a wonderful venue so that we can continue some of our routines. Not the same. I'm not pretending that it's the same as being in the same space with other humans. But I don't know about you. But when we have our Zoom calls, Bryan, it just does my heart to be able to see the team's face. And it's my favorite, favorite part about our meetings is seeing all the people assemble and see how long their hairs and their beards are getting. 

Bryan Reynolds [00:18:15] It does make a difference, and it does really make you long to see these people as well. Sure. It's so nice to have that. We live in a time that we have this available to to make this connection. So is there, you know, along this line of communication and just Mother's Day coming up, do you have any recommendations for a good Mother's Day gift? 

Laura Lamb [00:18:42] It's funny that you asked that. Yes, I do. I absolutely do. So having had some experience with working with our residents one-on-one to set up their Zoom accounts or other accounts, I had this thought. I mean, if my resident were or my mother was living in a retirement community, I would absolutely be buying them an iPad, or other kind of mobile device because that would be a way that they could stay connected. And what I'm finding is a lot of our residents do have computers, but they're older, so they wouldn't have been, you know, purchased with a webcam as an example. 

[00:19:26] So, yeah, they can participate in a Zoom meeting, but it's really going to be a more of an audio. No, no different than a call. And that's just that's not the whole purpose. I mean, I can use my phone to call somebody. I don't have to, you know, get on a Zoom. So, you know, I'm not I'm not suggesting any one particular company or or style. But if families did buy our residents, you know, iPads or tablets for Mother's Day, you know, just know that we as staff have a system that we would be able, on the resident side, to help them get it up and running. And frankly, that would give us a staff a lot of joy to again see that outcome of allowing our elders to be connected with the people that they love so much. 

Bryan Reynolds [00:20:16] Yeah, it's so fun to engage with residents and teach, you know, on the iPhone and iPad class for a number of years over it at Deupree House. 

Laura Lamb [00:20:26] Right. Right.

Bryan Reynolds [00:20:26] And it's so much fun to engage that way in and teach some some new skills to folks. So I think that's a great recommendation. Well. Thank you so much for your time today, Laura. I think with Mother's Day, it is certainly a special week. And we're going to look forward to celebrating with our our families and our residents this year in a new way. 

Laura Lamb [00:20:51] So happy Mother's Day to all the moms out there. Thank you for having me again this week. 

Bryan Reynolds [00:20:57] Yeah. And we'll touch base next week. Thanks so much again. Talk to you soon. 

Laura Lamb [00:21:00] Awesome.

Kristin Davenport [00:21:05] Bryan, thank you for that conversation with Laura today. That was a very affirming for me as a mother. I'm going to be Zooming with my daughter who lives in another part of Lebanon right now, and I am going to be Zooming with my siblings and my mom, who all live in Pennsylvania. And that was definitely the right choice for us. And I'm glad to hear that that's what we're doing at ERS as well. 

Bryan Reynolds [00:21:32] Yeah. You know, Zoom has become such a great tool for us to stay connected. You know, even in light of Mother's Day, it's a great way to do that when we can't be together. But that actually segues really nicely into our next segment. I had an interview with Kate Powers, a resident at Marjorie P. Lee, and she's certainly staying very active by having several Zoom conferences in a day to stay in touch with her friends and family and people she works with. So I'm really excited to introduce this segment with Kate Powers at Marjorie P. Lee. 

Bryan Reynolds [00:22:15] I'm happy to be here today with Kate Powers, one of our residents at Marjorie P. Lee. She's been a resident at Marjorie P. Lee since 2017 and been very, very active within the community. Right now she's on the executive committee of the resident council. She's gotten involved in many, many of the enrichment activities around Marjorie P. Lee and even helped start up a program called Fun with Music, where she sings with some of the residents in the memory care area. She's got a background in Montessori training and has shared a lot of that wisdom with our staff in helping some of our residents with cognitive issues. So and as a Montessori child, I certainly see and appreciate that knowledge in that method being applied to some of our residents. 

Bryan Reynolds [00:23:04] So, Kate, welcome. Welcome to our show. 

Kate Powers [00:23:08] Thank you. 

Bryan Reynolds [00:23:08] So I think I just want to start off with a simple question and see How are you doing during this Covid 19 pandemic? 

Kate Powers [00:23:18] I would say it's probably one of the most up and down periods of time in my whole life. I think partly because I have kind of a dual set of challenges that I'm dealing with a family member with a very serious illness that was just diagnosed, and then all the changes that have been coming on a very frequent basis as a result of what's being mandated at this state and federal levels. Unlike many periods of time in my life, I'm not busy, busy, busy. I'm I have a much quieter and slower pace of life and a lot of that is self-chosen. I feel as if this is an opportunity for me to reflect and to savor and to learn from what's happening. I would say that I've worked very consciously at self-care, at making sure I don't get tired, making sure that if I'm feeling stressed, I process it. I find a way to move towards a solution and just really appreciating all of the budding beauties of spring, and the times when I can literally sit down and spend an hour talking to another person or an hour listening to another person. I'm really, really grateful for the program and the staff at Marjorie P. Lee. I feel coddled and held and so well cared for, and I think that gives me a lot of extra energy to live this time in gratitude. 

Bryan Reynolds [00:25:06] Yeah, I think I can definitely identify, you know, as you and I have chatted before. You know, I have five children myself and we tend to live on the run. And being able to kind of slow down and regroup is is nice in some ways. But in other ways, you know, we're used to being engaged in kind of on the go. And I know you've always had a very active lifestyle. So I appreciate the. You know what you're saying. So speaking of just kind of how you're staying engaged, I know you've talked about being on Zoom meetings. What have you been doing to stay active and engaged with people specifically while trying to social distance? 

Kate Powers [00:25:45] I think I have a list of 13 different Zoom contacts. 

Bryan Reynolds [00:25:50] Wow. 

Kate Powers [00:25:51] That's been an incredible resource for me. I start my day at 7:15 every morning with folks I typically would see in a recovery group. And that is a wonderful nurturing ritual. And then I see my family all over the country on Zoom once a week. I see some dear friends from my book club. I see my yoga class that I usually go to in Wyoming now meeting twice a week on Zoom. It's wonderful. I've just started asume exercise classes here. 

Bryan Reynolds [00:26:28] With Wellness Director Chloe Hough, correct? 

Kate Powers [00:26:31] Yes. Yeah. And then I go to the courtyard almost every day and see folks there. My husband and I have more time together. We get out and get some fresh air together. Just try to schedule my day so it's balanced. Oh, and I even see the toddler program that I volunteer with gets together and does a song and story time once a week and I connect with them via Zoom. So I don't know, I may even have more people in my life now than before, but it's a different, you know, it's at a distance. 

Bryan Reynolds [00:27:10] Well, thank God for Zoom. It really has allowed a lot of us to have those face-to-face interactions. Sounds like you've certainly been able to stay very engaged with family and friends and in your groups. As you've faced some challenges or seen crises in our country before, obviously, you've gotten a lot of life experiences and knowledge from that. Can you talk about how you can use those past situations to cope with this current crisis that you might share with our audience? 

Kate Powers [00:27:42] Well, I was born in 1940 and when I was 2, my dad enlisted in the Army and he ended up being overseas for several years. And two more children were born during that time. And I have memories and felt memories of that time. And so the idea of being a part of a family and a country who are in crisis is not completely foreign to me. It helps me be supportive of what is being recommended for us. When I started to retire, one of my friends told me about an article that said there are three three things you needed in retirement. One is community. One is routine and the other is a sense of usefulness. And I've been very conscious of trying to include those elements of life in my day for quite a while now. It's been great that I've been able to use technology and have the examples of people who are older than I to practice that. I find myself using slogans that I've learned like Keep it simple or One day at a time. Especially, I've been really noticing how important for me with my personality. This slogan of Pause, pray and proceed is. I can get very excited very easily and just jump into the pool with all my clothes on, and that is not the healthiest or most helpful. 

Kate Powers [00:29:28] This Covid it time is really giving me the chance to notice how much more effective I am. And life is if I can pause and reflect and pray before I take action. I've been working on patience, tolerance and understanding. I've heard it talked about. But this is where the rubber hits the road in terms of really growing those values. I see it so much in staff and in some residents, they've really exercised their endurance, muscle and people are being gentle and tender and caring and understanding with one another. And I've certainly seen lots of folks in my past who were that way. And now I get the chance to try to be that way. So I'm really appreciating that. I would say, I grew up about three blocks from here. 

Bryan Reynolds [00:30:29] Oh, wow. 

Kate Powers [00:30:30] So I have a lot of memories of my childhood and the faith community that I grew up in. And I would say I have used that faith tradition in a way that's become very comforting. The parish that I belong to has been livestreaming liturgies on a regular basis. I snuggle up with my blanket and let that reading and that music just kind of wash over me. I belong to a small faith group that meets on a regular basis to just talk about, you know, where do we find God or a higher power? Or that experience of awe and mystery in our everyday lives. 

Kate Powers [00:31:24] And we've been doing that every week for an hour, that has just been a terrific experience. And, you know, I was the oldest child in my family and I always took that kind of sense of responsibility and probably, bossing, around with me. Until we moved in here and then I was almost the youngest one. So I had learned so much from just watching. I saw somebody in the exercise class this morning who was widowed almost two years ago, and I've seen her at exercise three or four or five times a week. Ever since her husband died and she just picked herself back up and continued on working at being healthy. They're like a lot of examples around here of lessons offered to me and hopefully a few lessons learned. And. I just I think this simplicity. That was a part of life. 

Kate Powers [00:32:40] And I have these strong visual and felt memories of being on these very streets, walking to the square to shop for my mom or riding my bike or whatever. I think that has helped me really appreciate this time. Yeah, we celebrated for all of the pain and the terror and the stress. There is also some incredible beauty that's been a part of it. 

Bryan Reynolds [00:33:09] I think you've really expressed this very well because it there is it's almost two different things going on. There is a lot of suffering and people struggling, whether it's from having Covid or trying to care for those with Covid, or those that are out of work. But there is a beauty and the blessing and being able to pause and reflect and and engage on a level that we really haven't been able to do. And sometimes that's very interesting. So when this is all said and done and the crisis is over, what what are you looking forward to doing? 

Kate Powers [00:33:45] Well, I would like to incorporate some of the more meditative and almost self-indulgent experiences that I've had. I celebrated a birthday last week and somebody gave me a book and I started reading it as somebody else gave me some chocolate. So I started eating the chocolate, too, at 2:00 in the afternoon. And I didn't finish until 1:30 in the morning. 

Bryan Reynolds [00:34:13] Oh, my God. 

Kate Powers [00:34:14]  And that's not all bad. 

Bryan Reynolds [00:34:15] Yeah 

Kate Powers [00:34:20] So I I hope that I'm as able to just take life a day at a time.Going forward. I hope that I am able to hold my loved ones in my arms. I hope I am able to see the bigger picture and carry some of the tenderness and thoughtfulness that has developed during this time into my relationships and my activities. The experience of slowing down and and maybe becoming a little bit more sensitive is one that I hope I can continue. 

Bryan Reynolds [00:35:02] Yeah. And I think you make a very good point. I think after this is all said and done, we're all going to need to come together to kind of pick each other up and dust each other off. 

Bryan Reynolds [00:35:13] Kate, I want to thank you so much for coming onto our podcast and getting together with me and being so open and honest and raw. It's really been a pleasure catching up with you and hopefully we'll get a chance to maybe do this again. 

Kate Powers [00:35:27] Thanks, Bryan. I've enjoyed getting to know you better. 

Bryan Reynolds [00:35:30] You, too, Kate.

Kristin Davenport [00:35:36] Bryan, what a great conversation with Kate today, it was so good to hear from her. She's always been an inspiration to me and even more so now to hear that she's staying connected and doing a lot of Zooming with her family and her friends. 

Bryan Reynolds [00:35:52] Yeah, yeah. Kate's, you know, just naturally a very active person and wants that sense of connection. And and she certainly found creative ways of keeping that going. So really good to catch up with her. Looking forward to catching up with her more in the near future. 

Bryan Reynolds [00:36:08] Thank you so much for joining this episode of the linkage podcast by Episcopal Retirement Services. For more information, you can visit us on our Web site at Episcopal retirement dot com. We've a lot of great content there, including our linkage online blog, resources to learn more about aging and services we offer and much, much more. You can also follow us on Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn and YouTube to see what's going on within ERS. And many of our communities. If you have any questions or feedback. Feel free to e-mail us at info at erslife dot org. We love hearing from our listeners. 

Bryan Reynolds [00:36:45] The linkage podcast is produced by Kristin Davenport and Bryan Reynolds. Our associate producer is Feoshia Davis and our technical director is Michele Hane. I'd like to thank our many guests that we've had today and including our President and CEO Laura Lamb on behalf of myself, Bryan Reynolds and Kristin Davenport. Thank you so much for joining us. We look forward to our podcast next week. 

Bryan Reynolds [00:37:09] Thanks so much, Kristin. 

Kristin Davenport [00:37:11] Bryan, thank you. Talk to you soon.