Take Care of Yourself, And Each Other
Date: May 29, 2020
Hosts: Bryan Reynolds & Kristin Davenport
Guests: ECH board chair, Rob King and resident, Ruth Ison
Update from President & CEO Laura Lamb
Episode 6 Transcript
Bryan Reynolds [00:00:04] Hello. Hello. Welcome to Episode six of The Linkage podcast by Episcopal Retirement Services. This is week after Memorial Day, May 25th. Thanks so much for joining us. I'm Bryan Reynolds vice president of marketing for Episcopal Retirement Services, and I'm here with Kristin Davenport, director of communications for ERS and our executive producer. How are you, Kristin?
Kristin Davenport [00:00:30] Hey, Bryan, it's good to talk with you today. I'm doing great. How are you?
Bryan Reynolds [00:00:33] Good, good. It's warming up. The sun's been out a little bit more, so it's been a really, really nice week.
Kristin Davenport [00:00:40] So I took a peek at that weekend weather. It looks pretty good.
Bryan Reynolds [00:00:43] Excellent. Excellent. Well, let's move on with the show. The Linkage podcast is dedicated to educating our audiences about issues revolving around aging and informing people about the mission of the IRS and how that mission comes to life and our everyday interactions with residents and families and staff. So, Kristin, why don't you tell us about what we've got coming up on today's show?
Kristin Davenport [00:01:08] OK, Bryan We've got three guests with us today. We have a Deupree Cottages resident Ruth Ison, and we have Episcopal Church Home board chair, Rob King. And we have our president and CEO Laura Lamb, who's gonna give us an update.
Bryan Reynolds [00:01:26] Well, once again, we've got some great guests and some great conversation on the way. So why don't we start out with our first segment. Kristin, you want to introduce our first guest?
Kristin Davenport [00:01:38] Thanks, Bryan. Yes. Our first guest is Ruth Ison. Ruth was born and raised in the Cincinnati area, has always lived in the Hyde Park area. She is a lifelong member of Knox Presbyterian Church there in Hyde Park. Ruth moved to the Deupree Cottages in 2000 and I think she said 2011. So she's lived there quite a while, almost nine years. And I've known Ruth quite a while. I haven't gotten to see her lately and it was nice for us to check in and see how she's doing. So let's meet Ruth.
Kristin Davenport [00:02:16] Welcome, Ruth Ison. Thanks for being with me today on the podcast.
Ruth Ison [00:02:22] Thank you.
Kristin Davenport [00:02:23] So tell me, Ruth, how was your Memorial Day weekend?
Ruth Ison [00:02:28] Very nice.
Kristin Davenport [00:02:29] What kind of things did you enjoy this weekend?
Ruth Ison [00:02:32] Well, I am doing most visiting with my grandson and his family on the television situation. I enjoy eating my picnic lunch while my televisions was playing The Cincinnati Reds baseball game.
Kristin Davenport [00:02:52] Oh, I know that is your favorite team, isn't it? You've been a lifelong Cincinnati Reds fan. Have you not?
Ruth Ison [00:03:02] Yes, that's right.
Kristin Davenport [00:03:04] So, Ruth, what do you think of this situation with baseball? Should they come back and let the fans see the games or should they wait?
Ruth Ison [00:03:13] Well, I understand that the red's baseball owners are having some kind of spraying of the baseball fields, so they are safe and all that, so they can have fans there. The baseball players have voted not to return this year. I don't like that.
Kristin Davenport [00:03:41] You still go to a game every year, don't you, Ruth?
Ruth Ison [00:03:45] Yes. We get to go every year to one game, and mostly it's in September. When it's not quite so hot.
Kristin Davenport [00:03:54] Well, hopefully by then that they will be back at it because. By then, maybe they will figure out how to do it safely. Are there any Reds players that you're looking forward to seeing this year? Have they picked up anybody new?
Ruth Ison [00:04:11] Well we picked a second baseman from Milwaukee.
Kristin Davenport [00:04:13] That sounds good, but they could have used that help. If they've got a better infield, maybe the better season this year.
Ruth Ison [00:04:19] Well, I think they've had a very good infield. And now they have a whole, different new outfield again. So who knows what going to happen.
Kristin Davenport [00:04:33] How's their pitching staff?
Ruth Ison [00:04:33] I think will be more contending this year, than they have in the past.
Kristin Davenport [00:04:41] And I agree with you. Those players need to get on board and figure out a way to do it safely and maybe just do it televised so we can all just watch on television.
Ruth Ison [00:04:52] Yeah, there you go.
Kristin Davenport [00:04:53] Well, that's good. I know another thing that you really enjoy besides your Cincinnati Reds, Ruth is a I know you that you enjoy reading what's on your summer reading list?
Ruth Ison [00:05:02] Well just that one book.
Kristin Davenport [00:05:02] You were telling me about one, it's called 40 Autumns. Is that right?
Ruth Ison [00:05:09] 40 Autumns, yes. And it's written by a Secret Service person about a family divded between the Berlin Wall. It's mostly about this one daughter who dislikes the Soviet government, communism. And her father teaches communism. So she keeps running away from home. He keeps sending somebody to bring her back.
Kristin Davenport [00:05:46] Well, that sounds like an exciting story, and that is a really great way to take your mind off the fact that we're all sort of in a holding pattern right now. Is there any advice you have for our listeners about how to get through these next several weeks or months, however long this lasts?
Ruth Ison [00:06:03] Just have to follow the rules. Safe distance, and then take care of yourself the best way you can. Keep your mind and body occupied, and then somewhere along the line, this thing will be over.
Kristin Davenport [00:06:21] Well, that is what I'm looking forward to, Ruth, because I know you and I get to see each other probably every week when things aren't the way they are now. So I'm looking forward to that, hopefully.
Ruth Ison [00:06:32] Well me too too.
Kristin Davenport [00:06:33] Yeah. And this summer, you'll have to, until the Reds start new games, you'll have to rewatch. I notice they have quite a few old games on every once in awhile. And between that and your summer reading, hopefully you'll make it through until we see each other again.
Ruth Ison [00:06:49] Well, I think so. As long as you can make it through too.
Kristin Davenport [00:06:53] I'm going to Ruth, you gave me some good advice the other day. I told you I was going to hang in there and you said, well, yeah, just as long as your arms don't get tired.
Ruth Ison [00:07:02] No, I'm fine.
Kristin Davenport [00:07:04] I love it. Well, thank you, Ruth, for joining me on this call today. And until I see you again, enjoy your time at the Cottages reading out -- I imagine you're reading out in the pavilion area.
Ruth Ison [00:07:18] I go out whenever the weather's nice.
Kristin Davenport [00:07:22] I know that's where you're sitting out and you're reading your book. And that's how I'm thinking of you. So until we meet again. Thank you, Ruth, for joining me.
Ruth Ison [00:07:31] Well, thank you for inviting me.
Kristin Davenport [00:07:33] Yeah, you bet, Ruth this has been fun.
Bryan Reynolds [00:07:42] Well, what a great interview with Ruth Ison. She's. She's so dear. And to hear her talk about the Cincinnati Reds really has me dreaming of watching baseball again.
Kristin Davenport [00:07:53] I was really happy to catch up with Ruth and find out what she's reading right now. Summer reading lists are top of mind for me. And it was just great to check in with her. Next up, we'll have a check in with our president and CEO Laura Lamb. I'm looking forward to hearing what she's been up to in the past week. It's always good to get that update from Laura.
Bryan Reynolds [00:08:18] So we're here again this week with president and CEO Laura Lamb. Hi, Laura. How are you?
Laura Lamb [00:08:23] I'm doing great. Bryan, how about you?
Bryan Reynolds [00:08:25] Doing wonderful. Doing wonderful at a great Memorial Day weekend. And and a great start to this week. So how about you?
Laura Lamb [00:08:33] Great. Very relaxing, low-key holiday.
Bryan Reynolds [00:08:37] That's a good way to kick off the summer. You know, it never ceases to amaze me that we have such wonderful stories, such great things going on throughout the organization. And this probably one of my highlights of the week when I hear from you, some of those stories. You know, one of the first things that I wanted to bring up was the fact that the world's opening and and now some testing is available. And I think this week's testing is starting at ECH.
Bryan Reynolds [00:09:05] Can you tell all our listeners a little bit about that process down at the Episcopal Church Home?
Laura Lamb [00:09:11] Well, I'd love to. So Andy Beshear, the governor of Kentucky, is a very, very smart man and he understands that as we open up Kentucky, and hopefully Ohio will be able to do the same thing, that it's really important for us to understand what the actual number of cases are in particularly congregate settings such as nursing homes, assisted livings, retirement communities. Governor Beshear mandated that all nursing home residents, assisted living residents and staff be tested by the state. It's on a state mandated schedule and that testing happened late last week. We tested well over 300 residents and staff in the course of a day.
Bryan Reynolds [00:10:05] Oh, my Gosh.
Laura Lamb [00:10:06] Quite an undertaking. They provide the tests, but our staff have to administer the test.
Bryan Reynolds [00:10:11] Yeah.
Laura Lamb [00:10:12] And Go through training that the ECAC leadership team did an amazing job doing that. And literally, as we speak, we are receiving the test results. So we will probably, by the end of this day, know how many residents and staff maybe have been asymptomatic. That's really Governor Beshear's really goal in this is that you've heard the data that unfortunately for this virus, it sometimes goes undetected and people are carriers or asymptomatic, which is really troublesome because it's really easy to say stay away from somebody with a fever and a cough. And I know that. But if they're asymptomatic, we could be living and interacting with them and working alongside of them. So Governor Beshear is a smart man and he wants to make sure that we really have a good handle on what's going on in our communities across the state.
Bryan Reynolds [00:11:13] Well, I think that's so important, particularly as the world starts opening up slowly during that time. Have they talked any about frequency or how often they'll do testing, or is that still yet to be determined?
Laura Lamb [00:11:26] It's in large part yet to be determined because they really they can't figure out who's going to pay for the testing. We understand, as you do Bryan, that testing sends a false sometimes sends a false sense of security because it's only a snapshot in time.
Bryan Reynolds [00:11:44] Right.
Laura Lamb [00:11:44] You know what I mean by that? You know, you can have the test on Friday and interact with someone on Saturday. You're right back. Negative. But you're really you're right now because it's three days later, you do have it. So that's really going to be the challenge for our industry, for our organization and frankly, our country is that we have to figure out a way that testing can happen in greater society. You know, we're hearing talk about it needs to happen on a weekly basis. And so far away from that right now, it is it's a little bit overwhelming, but we will figure it out as an industry and as a country and an organization. I have no doubt about that.
Bryan Reynolds [00:12:28] Well, it sounds like the ECH team has done a great job in this first step. I can't I can't believe over 300 tests in one day. That's amazing.
Kristin Davenport [00:12:37] Oh my goodness. And some of the pictures of our, you know, our nursing leadership team all, you know, donned with their PPE. And it was just amazing, just kudos and thanks to the staff that were able to make that happen. And so we literally had 48 hours notice Bryan.
Bryan Reynolds [00:12:55] Wow. What a great team. For sure. Well, so on to some some good stories that have been kind of going around the communities I know that our affordable living staff have been trying to find some some ways of engaging and serving our our residents. Can you tell us a little bit? I think about the story up at Canterbury Court, was it recently?
Laura Lamb [00:13:19] Oh, yeah, I love it. You know, the theme that I'm seeing in all of our campuses with our staff is, you know, we talked a couple weeks ago at a staff meeting about reframing, so we've been spending a lot of time focusing on what you can do versus what you can't do. And it's amazing when you have that mindset how the creativity can just flow. So the example Canterbury Court is we're not allowed to have congregate meals yet in a senior housing area. But, you know, I don't know about you, Bryan, but one of the things I miss about being with you is that we would enjoy our afternoon coffee together right in the office. So we both enjoyed that kind of ritual that we had. Right now, our residents are the same.
Laura Lamb [00:14:07] So instead of we can't have a meal program or we can't have blah, blah. And the folks at Canterbury said, okay, let's focus on what we can do. We can serve our residents, one at a time. You know, they could come down to a central place and pick up. I mean, the pictures, I wish this were not a podcast because the pictures of these cinnamon rolls with viewers and listeners, I want you to think of a salad plate. That's how big these cinnamon rolls are. There they didn't invite us. They didn't invite any of us. But they gave out cinnamon rolls, a nice cup of hot coffee.
Laura Lamb [00:14:48] You know, the residents had masks on. The staff had masks and gloves on. So it was perfectly safe. And, you know, one at a time, they were able to engage with our staff Theresa. And it was just beautiful. So, again, she'd looked at it like, OK, we're not going to focus on what we can't do. We're going to turn this. We're going to reframe it and focus on what we can do.
Bryan Reynolds [00:15:10] Well, that's wonderful. And I know there is a great, great story at Deupree Cottages. And our staff find such unique ways of working with our residents to engage them. Can you tell us a little bit about what they were doing to engage some of our residents at Deupree Cottages?
Laura Lamb [00:15:28] Yeah, yeah. So, you know, after dinner, there's a little bit of downtime. And summer is not the time that you want to rely on what's on TV, right?
Bryan Reynolds [00:15:38] Right.
Laura Lamb [00:15:39] Nothing.
Bryan Reynolds [00:15:40] Nothing.
Laura Lamb [00:15:41] The staff at the cottages have really been purposeful and trying to make sure that we're doing something that's engaging after the evening meal. And on one particular evening, they decided that they would make. Worry, worry, bowls. It's hard for me to say today. I don't know why. Worry bowls and what is a worry bowl?
Laura Lamb [00:16:01] It reminds me of when my kids were little. We had worry boxes. Yeah. We would, you know, write down what what things we were worried about and we would put them in there and just let you know, God kind of take care of our worries. And, you know, this is a difficult time for our residents at all levels of care.
Laura Lamb [00:16:22] You know, our residents and our skilled nursing are unable to see their families as they would want to because of orders. And so the staff acknowledged that and and understand that. And again, let's focus on what we can't do. We can't we can talk about our worries. We can talk about what we're looking forward to when this is all over. And to take that concept and put it into an art project just is beyond creative, in my opinion. It's just, it's just beautiful.
Bryan Reynolds [00:16:58] Well, that's wonderful. Again, just hats off to the staff for working with the residents to really do some creative things with them. You mentioned earlier about, you know, the idea of reframing and finding ideas to kind of reframe or or or take our minds off of some of these challenging times. And I know you've really been talking with our staff and our teams about enduring through through this challenge. And I know we're all kind of working on things to to get through that. And you and I were talking and I thought it would be really interesting to share with our listeners maybe some of the things that or something that you're doing you're working on to get through this period yourself.
Kristin Davenport [00:17:47] OK. True confession period of the podcast. No, I appreciate your asking and I would love to share. Just because it may spark something for someone else.
Bryan Reynolds [00:17:59] Right.
Laura Lamb [00:18:00] You know, I've never worked from home. You know, if I had my preference, I would not work from home. I enjoy being in a collaborative environment with my peers, with our residents, with our clients. And that's not in my home office right? And what I've learned about myself is I am very much an achiever, I'm very goal oriented. And so when I work at home, what I've learned is I see as constant reminders, of owning an old speakeasy house that was built, you know, in the 20s, 30s.
Bryan Reynolds [00:18:41] Yeah.
Laura Lamb [00:18:42] Of all the things that are on my honey do list, right. ... So, I'm realizing that being in this house on my list might things that I think I need to get accomplished during this pandemic is just it has really created a sense of urgency and anxiety that isn't helpful to me, right? And lay on that the fact that, you know, I went from being an empty nester to having a household of of six people.
Bryan Reynolds [00:19:18] Right.
Laura Lamb [00:19:19] And so this last two weeks, it really came to a head because, again, I was anxious about things that frankly, you know, other people wouldn't worry about. What are those? Like, you know, painting the wall that I stare at all day. You know, you know, weeding the garden again, you know. And it was really kind of that that the reframing for me was really understanding that, you know, asking myself what's the most important thing for me to do today?
Bryan Reynolds [00:19:52] Mm hmm.
Laura Lamb [00:19:53] And in and in that kind of questioning myself and asking that question. It was so obvious, you know, my daughter, I received a gift during this pandemic and the gift was my daughter was home for 63 days that she never would have been home.
Bryan Reynolds [00:20:11] Yeah.
Kristin Davenport [00:20:12] If it hadn't been for the pandemic. And I feel so blessed for that. Well, why in the heck would I paint a wall or weed a garden when I could be sitting down enjoying her company when I'm not working?
Bryan Reynolds [00:20:26] Right.
Laura Lamb [00:20:26] And so it was really it was really interesting for me to kind of layer those two together and almost just give myself permission to be present with her and know that all those projects were gonna be there next week. Right. When she was gone. Right. Now, I tell you, it's just really interesting. I don't know about others, but when you kind of think through, or in my case, talk through those things with yourself. It really can create such clarity that, you know, it's like, well, what? Why was I all worried about this? And it just seems it seems kind of silly admitting that to you all. It really was quite helpful just to kind of give myself some grace and say, you know, Laura, you don't have to do this entire list by June 1st. What if you did two things by June 1st and then five things by July 1st as an example?
Bryan Reynolds [00:21:24] Yeah, that's a wonderful sentiment that stories to share. I think it's so important for, you know, we can't take on the world. So just working on one thing at a time and focusing on one thing in time and putting your. You know, as you did with time with your family, your daughter, I think is very wise. I mean, for myself, those relationships, you know, with my friends who are my extended family and, you know, just making sure I'm reaching out to them has been very grounding for me. Even though I stay in touch with them fairly often, it just has taken on more importance even through this time.
Laura Lamb [00:22:03] So that's so true. It's that connectedness, isn't it?
Bryan Reynolds [00:22:07] It is. It is. Yeah. So. Well, Laura, thank you so much for joining me this week again. It's always wonderful to hear from you and get the updates about what's going on throughout the organization and hearing from you.
Laura Lamb [00:22:22] Great. Well, I'm looking forward to talking to you next week, Bryan. All right. You too, Laura.
Kristin Davenport [00:22:35] Bryan, thanks for that update with Laura. I always look forward to hearing what's top of mind for her. And what a great thing to be thinking about pacing. That is a really good strategy for keeping yourself going and keeping yourself on track. That was really important to hear today.
Bryan Reynolds [00:22:53] Yeah, I always love getting those updates from Laura and checking in with her. And then just getting that that understanding of what's going on or out across the organization. There's just no shortage of great stories about our staff and residents and families. So it was, again, really good to hear from her.
Bryan Reynolds [00:23:11] So next up is my interview with Rob King. Rob is the chair of the ECH board. His mother lives at Episcopal Church Home down in Louisville. So let's hear my interview with Rob.
Bryan Reynolds [00:23:27] We're here with Rob King.
Rob King [00:23:29] Rob is a chair of the board for Episcopal Church Home down in Louisville, Kentucky. He's actually served on our board at Episcopal Church Home for about 10 years. His mother lives at Episcopal Church Home and has been there the last 11 years. Back in July of 2009. Welcome, Rob. How are you?
Rob King [00:23:50] I'm just fine. And she actually came in May of 2009. But who's counting?
Bryan Reynolds [00:23:56] That's right. That's right. Well, thank you so much for joining us today.
Rob King [00:24:00] My pleasure.
Bryan Reynolds [00:24:01] We've been doing this as a check in for residents, but we thought, particularly with you being a board member and having your mother at ECH, we just check in. How are you doing? How's your mother doing right now?
Rob King [00:24:13] I'm doing fine. Other you know, I'd certainly like to see my mother after and I haven't seen her in two months. She is not technically savvy, so she doesn't have a pad or even an iPhone. So, we talk every day Bryan, but haven't laid eyes on her since all this started several months ago.
Bryan Reynolds [00:24:36] Sure, sure, sure, sure. But you said you talked just about every day.
Bryan Reynolds [00:24:40] That is correct. Yeah, absolutely.
Rob King [00:24:43] Yeah. Well, that's great. You have that link going. I have my daily calls with my my mother as well. So being able can appreciate that. How is your your mom been able to stay active and engaged at ECH.
Rob King [00:24:57] Well, she has been able to stay active and engaged by reading a lot. She's an avid reader, always has one or two books going, and reads The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times and the Courier Journal every morning cover to cover. And then through the kindness of the staff at ECH, she's been able to get out a little bit for short walks on nice days with one of the very kind nurses or staff members who are willing to take her out. She's not allowed to go out unaccompanied.
Bryan Reynolds [00:25:37] Right. Right. That's great. Has there been anything, anything memorable like from the life enrichment team or the nursing staff that really stands out to you that they've been doing with your mother?
Rob King [00:25:49] Just their willingness and kindness to take to take her out. They're busy. Yeah, they're busy during normal times. They're particularly busy during this situation. So just the mere fact that they're willing to put down what they're doing and get her outside for for some fresh air is very memorable. Definitely the most memorable thing. Yeah. Because it means a lot to my mother and to her emotional health.
Bryan Reynolds [00:26:22] Yeah. Yeah, having some kind of activity in that engagement is so, so important. As a board member and now the chair of the ECH board, you know, why are you so proud to be affiliated with with ECH and even ERS?
Rob King [00:26:40] Bryan, I am very proud to be affiliated for several reasons. One, the professionalism displayed by the staff during this pandemic always being one step ahead of doing the right thing. And equally as important, Bryan is the kindness and compassion that it's all being done. That's what's so impressive to me. And it makes me very proud. We have been fortunate not to have any resident cases yet know knock on wood that I understand things can change. We'll certainly have to tribute some of it to just good luck.
Bryan Reynolds [00:27:31] Yeah.
Ruth Ison [00:27:31] But. But but also to our talented, intelligent staff and nurses knowing the right thing to do.
Bryan Reynolds [00:27:43] Yeah. Well, we're certainly so proud of the team down there that works with residents. And it's just a joy to have worked with them all these years, but also just seeing them get through this pandemic, this crisis, has been simply amazing. So definitely proud on on my end as well. So. So, Rob, just a question from you. You know, talking about crisis, you know, this certainly has been challenging for for many of us, even not just our residents, but those of us that are our children and kind of hunkering down and getting through these up and down emotions of watching the news. Is there any experiences, you know, in your own life that kind of help you get through challenging times or maybe even more interestingly, is there anything that your mother may have taught you to kind of help you get through challenging times?
Rob King [00:28:31] Well, my mother has lived through the Depression. Yeah, she's lived through World War Two. Right. She lived through the polio epidemic. So she's she's seen a lot. And I guess just her optimism, things will improve now. Perseverance. Frankly, I've never lived through anything like this before.
Bryan Reynolds [00:28:57] Right.
Rob King [00:28:57] So I can't say I can draw on any previous pandemic experiences to know how to act or react. I was very young during the polio epidemic and remember very well, it was scary times, but I was five or six years old. But I remember when Salk, Joan Salk came up with the vaccine and right on the heels of that, Dr. Sabin came up with an oral vaccine. But but. But you know those risks for my generation.
Bryan Reynolds [00:29:38] Yeah.
Rob King [00:29:38] And the closest thing that I can compare this to is on a very minor basis under the previous man. This has never happened during the ERS affiliation, but it seemed like almost every flu season during the past administration.
Bryan Reynolds [00:29:59] Mm hmm.
Rob King [00:30:00] Someone would get the flu and they would lock down a wing or they'd lock down the whole Episcopal Church Home. And, but it was nothing like that. It never lasted this long. Two weeks. Three weeks. At the max. And personally, you know, my mother was still going out anyway, whether she was supposed to or not. She said she'd go out every day. But but this is pretty, pretty much unchartered waters, Bryan.
Bryan Reynolds [00:30:37] Yeah. Yeah. It certainly led to a lot of changes in our everyday lives. Yes. Certainly will be, you know, to some extent for a while. From what we're seeing.
Rob King [00:30:47] Yes.
Bryan Reynolds [00:30:49] Well, Rob, thank you so much for joining me today. We we've enjoyed having you where we're so grateful to have you as a leader in our organization. And I'm sure we'll catch up real soon.
Rob King [00:31:03] Well, I'm honored to be involved. Bryan. And I look forward to seeing you soon.
Bryan Reynolds [00:31:08] Thanks, Rob.
Kristin Davenport [00:31:16] It was great to meet Rob. Virtually, I've never met him in person. Louisville is one of my favorite places of all our communities to visit the staff down there is definitely professionals, but also with a heart. You know, there are just some of the best people.
Bryan Reynolds [00:31:32] Yeah, Rob talked so highly of the staff down there, and, of course, we all feel so special about the the work that they do. And, you know, they're almost like rock stars in the Louisville area. Everywhere you go, everybody talks about how great the team is down at Episcopal Church Home. Well, Kristin, that's it for this episode of the Linkage podcast by Episcopal Retirement Services. For more information about us, our listeners can visit our Web site at Episcopal Retirement dot com. We've a lot of great content, including our Linkage online blog resources. We've got videos about wellness and other topics around topic of aging. You can follow us on Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn and YouTube to see what's going on within ERS and our communities. I have any questions or feedback. We love to hear from our listeners. Please email us at info at ERSLife dot org. The Linkage podcast is produced by Kristin Davenport and Bryan Reynolds Feoshia Davis is our associate producer. Our technical director is Michelel Hoehn. I'd like to thank our guests today, including Ruth Ison and Rob King and of course, our president and CEO Laura Lamb. On behalf of myself, Bryan Reynolds and Kristin Davenport, thank you so much for joining us. We look forward to our podcast again next week. Thanks so much, Kristin.
Kristin Davenport [00:32:56] You bet, Bryan. I got some great guests. Next week, so I'm looking forward to it.